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• (9:38:53 AM) Miksago: (i shall join this group in the morning)
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• (10:03:50 AM) rworth: Ok, priority #1 is review+finish http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Guidelines
• (10:04:32 AM) rworth: then we can use it as we review+finish individual plugin docs
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• (10:05:47 AM) davidserduke: i'll take a look at it. as I mentioned, i haven't really used UI much so i have to do a bit of learning first
• (10:07:23 AM) rworth: you'll be a perfect test case then ;)
• (10:07:28 AM) davidserduke: heh
• (10:08:00 AM) davidserduke: since it's just me at the moment I think it's a good time to hit the coffee. afk a few
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• (10:32:48 AM) davidserduke: the team wiki page http://docs.jquery.com/JQuerySprint/docs has been updated with my initial thoughts
• (10:43:09 AM) davidserduke: rworth: are there any pages in the docs that you feel are pretty updated?
• (10:45:28 AM) xover [n=xover@pounder.neutri.no] entered the room.
• (10:46:27 AM) davidserduke: looking at UI/Draggables it appears the methods section is updated but the demo is using the API and code
• (10:47:53 AM) rworth: davidserduke: I don't have a good feel anymore
• (10:50:48 AM) davidserduke: ok
• (10:51:48 AM) davidserduke: i'm going to head out for my first meeting. I think I'll be able to continue reviewing the code while I'm in it. I should be back in a couple hours I hope then be around for at least a few more hours working
• (10:52:35 AM) davidserduke: if anyone is able to make some changes to the UI/Guidelines page make a comment here and/or update the team wiki page
• (10:52:41 AM) davidserduke is now known as davidserduke_awa
• (10:56:51 AM) rworth: http://docs.jquery.com/JQuerySprint/docs/irclog
• (10:58:21 AM) rworth: Ok, I'll be back in about 90 minutes
• (12:43:08 PM) davidserduke [n=chatzill@ip-216-36-79-55.dsl.sjc.megapath.net] entered the room.
• (12:43:32 PM) davidserduke: ok, i'm sort of back. in a meeting but with some flexibility :)
• (12:48:27 PM) rworth: ok, I'm back
• (12:53:27 PM) davidserduke: rworth: couple questions if you have a sec
• (12:54:58 PM) rworth: davidserduke: sure
• (12:55:12 PM) davidserduke: so i'm looking over draggable at the moment
• (12:55:28 PM) davidserduke: do you think that is a nice typical component to review?
• (12:55:38 PM) rworth: yes
• (12:55:57 PM) davidserduke: ok, so it extends the jQuery object prototype with the one function draggable
• (12:56:11 PM) davidserduke: which seems to do two things. either it is param (string, options) or (options)
• (12:56:34 PM) davidserduke: the first one calls the function 'string' on the $.ui.draggable
• (12:56:45 PM) davidserduke: and the second starts a new version if one doesn't exist
• (12:57:05 PM) rworth: right
• (12:57:26 PM) davidserduke: so the code seems to ignore something like $(...).draggable({name:value;}) if one has already been called correct?
• (12:57:39 PM) davidserduke: forget the semicolon obviously :)
• (12:57:45 PM) rworth: yes, you can only use that to initialize options
• (12:57:50 PM) davidserduke: gotcha
• (12:58:00 PM) rworth: from that point on, you have to use .data("option.plugin", value)
• (12:58:22 PM) davidserduke: so it would be "option.draggable" in this instance then
• (12:58:34 PM) rworth: there was a lot of discussion about this and in the end it was decided it would be clearer if .plugin({...}) always meant init
• (12:58:51 PM) davidserduke: ok, works for me. i just want to make sure i'm looking at it correctly
• (12:59:05 PM) davidserduke: alright that's enough for me atm. i can get started ont he getters/setters part
• (12:59:11 PM) rworth: looks like you've got it. Are you checking/updating guidelines as you go?
• (12:59:18 PM) rworth: this should all be clear in there
• (12:59:28 PM) davidserduke: the getters/setters part isn't done yet
• (12:59:37 PM) rworth: oh, I'll take a look
• (12:59:51 PM) davidserduke: i was preparing to write that
• (12:59:57 PM) davidserduke: unless i'm missing something
• (1:00:00 PM) ***rworth sees that davidserduke just said he's going to ;)
• (1:00:11 PM) rworth: davidserduke: go ahead
• (1:00:11 PM) davidserduke: heh
• (1:00:22 PM) davidserduke: will do. i'll let you know when i have something to review
• (2:00:38 PM) davidserduke: rworth: when you get a chance if you could check setters/getters section of the UI/Guidelines to see if it is ok
• (2:01:23 PM) ***rworth looks
• (2:01:32 PM) davidserduke: i think i might have to document $().data() because I don't see it in the core documentation atm
• (2:01:44 PM) davidserduke: do you think that is where it should go? jQuery Core?
• (2:02:10 PM) rworth: it's in internals
• (2:02:19 PM) davidserduke: the internals one is jquery.data()
• (2:02:22 PM) davidserduke: which is a bit different
• (2:02:29 PM) rworth: oh, you're right
• (2:02:38 PM) rworth: I noticed yesterday that the new one wasn't documented yet
• (2:02:52 PM) davidserduke: i'll do that next
• (2:02:56 PM) rworth: umm, yeah, I guess core
• (2:03:04 PM) davidserduke: k
• (2:03:13 PM) davidserduke: look ok?
• (2:03:22 PM) rworth: still reading
• (2:05:26 PM) rworth: davidserduke: maybe say $(...).data() function instead of $.data()? otherwise it confuses with jQuery.data()
• (2:05:38 PM) davidserduke: yeah, definitely
• (2:05:46 PM) rworth: other than that, looks good
• (2:06:13 PM) davidserduke: k, i'll move on to data next then come back
• (2:06:42 PM) rworth: k
• (2:17:15 PM) scott_gonzalez: is someone handling the docs for dialog?
• (2:19:06 PM) rworth: not at the moment
• (2:19:26 PM) rworth: we should add a section on the wiki for people to claim modules
• (3:00:34 PM) c_t [n=c_t@e178001175.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the room.
• (3:01:18 PM) rworth: c_t: welcome
• (3:01:36 PM) c_t: hi
• (3:02:23 PM) davidserduke: ok, i just finished a somewhat decent version of the $().data() and $().removeData() functions
• (3:03:37 PM) rworth: davidserduke: looks great
• (3:03:58 PM) ***rworth crowns davidserduke the documentation wiz
• (3:04:04 PM) davidserduke: rworth: so the only stubbed out section of the Guidelines appears to be the plugin.add, etc
• (3:04:05 PM) davidserduke: lol
• (3:04:13 PM) davidserduke: a dubious honor :)
• (3:05:21 PM) davidserduke: rworth: in any case, can you give me quick any tips on plugin.add, call, css, and hasScroll? I can look at the code but a quick flyby from you would help me a lot
• (3:05:58 PM) rworth: davidserduke: I'd leave those for Paul (or at least until he gets back). Let's start going through plugins. Would you mind making a list on the sprint-docs page and we can start calling them
• (3:07:20 PM) davidserduke: rworth: ok, i do have another hopefully quick question. what is the delineation between something in ui.plugin.js and ui.plugin.ext.js
• (3:07:34 PM) davidserduke: do those need to be documented separately?
• (3:08:42 PM) rworth: davidserduke: that's a good question. The ext ones being in their own file allow you to have a stripped down/simple version of the plugin by just leaving out one file
• (3:09:14 PM) davidserduke: makes sense
• (3:09:29 PM) rworth: I think that'll depend on whether or not the package/download manager gives you the option
• (3:09:46 PM) davidserduke: so document them together for now?
• (3:09:48 PM) rworth: otherwise someone can just look inside the file and see what's in it
• (3:09:54 PM) rworth: Unless it's packed of course
• (3:10:00 PM) rworth: yeah
• (3:10:03 PM) davidserduke: k
• (3:10:11 PM) rworth: but let's bring this up with Paul
• (3:14:26 PM) rworth: **General Reminder** all: when you create a UI ticket, set the component field to 'UI' and put the plugin name in square brackets at the beginning of the summary
• (3:28:53 PM) davidserduke: i set up a section on the sprint/docs where people can sign up for a section. I'm not sure if scott_gonzalez was signing up for dialog or not
• (3:29:30 PM) scott_gonzalez: I justed wanted to inform whoever it is that there are new, undocumented, options
• (3:29:38 PM) davidserduke: ahh ok
• (3:29:44 PM) davidserduke: i won't pencil you in then :)
• (3:30:16 PM) scott_gonzalez: ...if I ever finish coding them :-P
• (3:30:20 PM) davidserduke: heh
• (3:30:40 PM) davidserduke: i think i'll sign myself up for draggables and see how I do with that
• (3:31:23 PM) rworth: davidserduke: I'll do the draggables unit test writing at the same time. We can collaborate
• (3:32:00 PM) davidserduke: k. i probably won't start for about an hour
• (3:32:06 PM) rworth: k
• (3:32:08 PM) davidserduke: i'll let you know when i'm on it
• (3:33:14 PM) davidserduke: i need to grab something to eat. hopefully back in about an hour
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• (3:59:22 PM) ***rworth away for 30min
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• (4:22:42 PM) pbakaus: hey everyone
• (4:23:44 PM) pbakaus: davidserduke_awa: could you give me a note when you come back? I wanted to talk to you about the guidelines
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• (4:30:34 PM) ***rworth is back
• (4:33:26 PM) pbakaus: welcome back :)
• (4:37:55 PM) rworth: thanks :)
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• (5:05:49 PM) davidserduke: i'm semi back atm
• (5:06:04 PM) rworth: davidserduke: I guess you missed Paul
• (5:06:04 PM) davidserduke: pbakaus: back if you are around
• (5:06:28 PM) scott_gonzalez: Paul's gone for the night
• (5:06:33 PM) davidserduke: any idea what he wanted?
• (5:06:48 PM) scott_gonzalez: nope
• (5:07:15 PM) scott_gonzalez: although, I do know something important for the guidelines
• (5:07:30 PM) davidserduke: yeah?
• (5:07:56 PM) scott_gonzalez: all the comments about stuff like this: jQuery.data(DOMelement, "ui-draggable")
• (5:08:02 PM) scott_gonzalez: needs to become: jQuery.data(DOMelement, "draggable")
• (5:08:08 PM) scott_gonzalez: (drop the ui- prefix)
• (5:08:34 PM) scott_gonzalez: check out the dev sprint wiki page
• (5:08:36 PM) scott_gonzalez: first section
• (5:08:38 PM) davidserduke: hmm, the ui- is what is currently in the code. dd that jsut change>
• (5:08:43 PM) davidserduke: ahh k
• (5:08:57 PM) scott_gonzalez: yeah, just changed two minutes ago
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• (5:11:06 PM) davidserduke: k, that change is made
• (5:13:00 PM) davidserduke: rworth: ok, i'm going to start doc'ing draggables. i think i have about 2 hrs before my next meeting
• (5:13:22 PM) davidserduke: course first i have to learn it :)
• (5:16:49 PM) rworth: davidserduke: Sounds good. I have to go for about 2 hrs. So I'll be back around when you leave ;)
• (5:17:12 PM) davidserduke: haha! have fun :)
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• (5:20:41 PM) davidserduke: welcome back :)
• (5:22:25 PM) davidserduke: pbakaus: btw, i'm here if you still need to talk to me. if not, sleep well
• (5:28:03 PM) Miksago: heyas
• (5:28:49 PM) davidserduke: hi
• (5:29:26 PM) Miksago: so what are we doing?
• (5:29:37 PM) davidserduke: in documentation?
• (5:29:47 PM) davidserduke: i'm working on draggables atm
• (5:30:48 PM) Miksago: kk
• (5:30:50 PM) davidserduke: http://docs.jquery.com/JQuerySprint/docs if you'd like to document one of the sections go ahead and assign it to yourself :)
• (5:31:06 PM) Miksago: yeah, i think i'll wake up more first..
• (5:31:19 PM) Miksago: (8:30 +10GMT)
• (5:31:36 PM) davidserduke: heh, that's how I was 8.5 hrs ago when the meeting started
• (5:31:45 PM) Miksago: yeah
• (5:31:47 PM) Miksago: i saw
• (5:31:58 PM) Miksago: (i have all the logs)
• (5:32:12 PM) davidserduke: spy! =P
• (5:32:21 PM) Miksago: i'm gunna go get a coffee and try out my new cd coasters
• (5:32:27 PM) davidserduke: i highly recommend it
• (5:32:41 PM) Miksago: davidserduke: i was asked to http://miksago.thaposse.net/jQSprintLogs/
• (5:39:55 PM) Miksago: i think i'll go shiny side up
• (5:40:29 PM) davidserduke: you get a nice rainbow that way when the light hits it just right
• (5:40:48 PM) davidserduke: so... any chance you understand this plugins.add start/stop code?
• (5:40:54 PM) davidserduke: it looks like getter/setters
• (5:41:03 PM) davidserduke: sort of
• (5:41:13 PM) Miksago: hmm..
• (5:41:17 PM) Miksago: lemme
• (5:41:32 PM) Miksago: see.. draggables you said?
• (5:41:45 PM) davidserduke: yeah, although i suspect that code is for any plugin
• (5:42:27 PM) davidserduke: i wrote the UI/Guidelines getters/setters using $(...).data() but looking at this code i suspect there is more to it than that
• (5:42:43 PM) davidserduke: that's probably what paul wanted to talk to me about heh
• (5:43:19 PM) Miksago: suppose i should svn sync before opening the file
• (5:45:52 PM) davidserduke: hmm, ok i sort of see how this works
• (5:46:34 PM) davidserduke: it's an automatic getter and setter for the actually draggable object
• (5:47:27 PM) davidserduke: so you can have something with various options then when you click to drag it the css can completely change to reflect the options and get set back when you drop
• (5:52:40 PM) Miksago: hmmm.
• (5:54:37 PM) davidserduke: i'm not sure i understand why there is draggable code in ui.mouse.js
• (5:55:55 PM) davidserduke: actually it looks like it's just firing events so i guess if the draggable code isn't included those will just be ignored
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• (5:56:57 PM) Miksago: there is a mouse event called drag
• (5:57:02 PM) davidserduke: seems a bit of an odd way to set it up
• (5:57:28 PM) Miksago: http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Guidelines#Mouse_Interaction
• (5:57:46 PM) Miksago: that's because multiple plugins may use drag
• (5:58:35 PM) davidserduke: yeah i can see that
• (5:58:45 PM) davidserduke: and it makes sense, but
• (5:59:10 PM) davidserduke: i'd think the namespace should be like mouseup.mouse
• (5:59:14 PM) davidserduke: not mouseup.draggable
• (5:59:32 PM) Miksago: talk to rworth or paul about it
• (5:59:50 PM) davidserduke: i think i'm just going to go ahead and start writing some simple demos for the wiki
• (6:00:06 PM) davidserduke: paul is sleeping. rworth said he'd be back in another hour or so
• (6:00:31 PM) davidserduke: i'm sure there is a good reason for everything. it's just i'm not sure what it is yet hehe
• (6:06:30 PM) Miksago: k
• (6:06:39 PM) Miksago: i'm gunna start working on toolbars
• (6:06:43 PM) Miksago: (again)
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• (8:34:53 PM) rworth: I'm back :)
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• (9:54:47 PM) davidserduke: rworth: back again
• (9:57:35 PM) davidserduke: gah, i'm wrestling with some wiki problem where I can't get more than one example to work on the draggables wiki page. i've done it on other pages though!
• (9:58:50 PM) rworth: davidserduke: hmm
• (9:59:52 PM) davidserduke: for some reason it will only run the document ready code for the last example
• (9:59:55 PM) davidserduke: weird...
• (10:01:09 PM) davidserduke: hmm, actually it's just failing on the first one when i have 3 examples
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• (10:14:56 PM) davidserduke: so sad, sometimes i forget my own rule #1. if something weird is happening reboot
• (10:16:04 PM) davidserduke: luckily firefox crashed on me and forced me to so now i can move on heh
• (10:16:18 PM) rworth: heh
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• (11:41:22 PM) Miksago: **** http://docs.jquery.com/JQuerySprint/docs#Keynotes JQUERY SPRINT DOCS KEYNOTES ****
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• (8:07:40 AM) xover: Where is the documentation being worked on? Live edits on the wiki page, or is there a master in SVN somewhere? Any form of staging going on?
• (8:10:47 AM) Miksago: braeker_, rworth ^^
• (8:11:14 AM) xover: I see p_bakaus and davidserduke are the only two with assigned docs tasks.
• (8:11:44 AM) xover: Hmm. It's probably too early yet in the `merki time zones.
• (8:11:52 AM) p_bakaus: I have a doc task assigned? ugh
• (8:11:54 AM) Miksago: paul's out for food
• (8:11:56 AM) p_bakaus: lol
• (8:11:57 AM) Miksago: or was
• (8:12:02 AM) xover: heh heh
• (8:12:04 AM) ***p_bakaus is now out for food
• (8:12:10 AM) Miksago: lolwat.
• (8:13:13 AM) rworth: xover: all documentation is on the wiki
• (8:13:35 AM) rworth: xover: staging is on the wiki too ;)
• (8:14:16 AM) xover: Yeah, but is the document edited live, or is there a separate staging copy that gets moved to the live docs after review; or some workflow like that?
• (8:14:25 AM) rworth: xover: it's all live
• (8:14:31 AM) xover: Coolio.
• (8:15:34 AM) rworth: xover: After the realease we'll probably segment future docs (1.6, 1.7) so that we don't step on current docs during dev
• (8:16:55 AM) xover: Any thoughts along the lines of separating API Reference type documentation from End User / User Manual type documentation?
• (8:18:28 AM) xover: It's just… I found the unit tests page for .dialog() easier to understand then the docs qua docs for it.
• (8:19:21 AM) xover: (i.e. <http://dev.jquery.com/view/trunk/ui/tests/uiTest.dialog.html> vs. <http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Dialog/dialog>)
• (8:20:16 AM) xover: And I speculate that it's because the latter is somewhat of a hybrid between pure API reference and end user docs.
• (8:20:35 AM) xover: Anyways, I digress… :-)
• (8:26:56 AM) xover: rworth: You the one coordinating docs? Should I feel free to jump in and do some minor editing?
• (8:27:27 AM) xover: (specifically, adding some undocumented options to the .dialog() page based on the unit tests for it)
• (8:28:59 AM) rworth: xover: I'm glad you found the unit test page easy to understand. :) I think in a lot of ways, it will always play that role (at least for developers). Unit tests are like that - great examples.
• (8:29:35 AM) rworth: xover: and yes, the full docs is sort of a hybrid, but it should be complete. There isn't anything that shouldn't go in there
• (8:30:25 AM) rworth: xover: feel free, yes. Jump in. Make changes. And I'm glad you're finding (as I have) that the unit test page is a great test of the docs themselves.
• (8:30:45 AM) xover: Ah, will do.
• (8:31:14 AM) xover: Also, I suspect the unit tests are much much easier to get the developers to write, than actual documentation.
• (8:32:30 AM) rworth: And when they're done, the docs are half done (at least the API reference portion)
• (8:32:42 AM) xover: Yeah.
• (8:33:02 AM) Miksago: xover: be sure to check out the demo viewer when it's finished
• (8:33:03 AM) xover: And they help probably as much with coming up with functional demos.
• (8:33:13 AM) xover: Miksago: URL?
• (8:33:30 AM) Miksago: it's the functional demos
• (8:33:58 AM) Miksago: demo viewer is sorta with in the demo's group
• (8:33:59 AM) rworth: Yeah, I wonder if we won't do some sharing there. The functional demos are almost slimmed down unit tests with a little better presentation
• (8:34:21 AM) Miksago: rworth: soon really good presentation :D
• (8:34:28 AM) rworth: :)
• (8:34:48 AM) Miksago: i need more coffee.
• (8:35:05 AM) Miksago: though i think i should go for tea..
• (8:35:06 AM) Miksago: bbs
• (8:43:12 AM) Miksago: back
• (8:43:20 AM) xover: wb
• (8:43:34 AM) Miksago: cheers
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• (8:46:58 AM) xover: rworth: Did I take you to imply you were the one who put together the .dialog() unit test page?
• (8:48:42 AM) xover: In any case, looking at it with an eye to completing the docs for .dialog(), I note that the subsections don't have a test for default behaviour.
• (8:49:14 AM) xover: e.g. all the tests under draggable explicitly set the property.
• (8:49:26 AM) xover: Ditto for at least a few others.
• (8:49:47 AM) Miksago: uh, xover do you know what to run to run the tests?
• (8:50:06 AM) digitalspaghetti: morning folks
• (8:50:20 AM) xover: Miksago: Assume I'm clueless and have no idea what I'm doing. You won't be offby much, I assure you. :-)
• (8:50:22 AM) Miksago: wait.
• (8:50:32 AM) Miksago: sorry, i'm stupid. i didn't click the links
• (8:50:33 AM) xover: `morning.
• (8:51:29 AM) digitalspaghetti: so what needs to be done at the moment?
• (8:52:36 AM) xover: digitalspaghetti: For Docs, it looks like the answer is “Everything, except the UI/Guidelines”, but I may very well be wrong.
• (8:53:06 AM) ***Miksago has tried to keep the keynotes up to date
• (8:53:18 AM) Miksago: however, people haven't assigned roles/jobs.
• (8:54:20 AM) digitalspaghetti: well if there is any code stuff to work on (the other channels are quite quiet just now)
• (8:54:57 AM) rworth: anyone can grab a section of docs to review/update
• (8:55:07 AM) rworth: just add your name to the wiki to keep from duplicating
• (8:55:27 AM) xover: digitalspaghetti: If you want code-related, perhaps unit tests? Since they seem very very usefull for everything from docs to dev to examples.
• (8:55:30 AM) rworth: xover: yeah, I did the dialog and draggable test pages. I'm not sure I understand your last question, about default behavior?
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• (8:55:44 AM) digitalspaghetti: yea, i can write some tests, or some demos
• (8:56:00 AM) rworth: digitalspaghetti: demos seems to have a lot of help. I could use some help in test
• (8:56:31 AM) xover: rworth: The section for the draggable option doesn't have a test where draggable is left at default; all four tests explicitly set it.
• (8:56:46 AM) digitalspaghetti: cool rworth, i'll make sure my trunk is up to date. I think I grabbed the dev.jquery one instead of the google code one, i better grab that so i have my write permissions
• (8:57:08 AM) xover: rworth: Mainly I noticed because I came at it from the docs side; I was trying to see what it's default value actually was.
• (8:57:54 AM) rworth: xover: no, the default test is simply calling .draggable()
• (8:58:13 AM) xover: right
• (8:58:19 AM) rworth: that is, it's a test of the default options, and that it can be called (and functional) without any explicit options
• (8:59:21 AM) xover: Put another way: I may be on crack, but I noticed the .draggable() test up in the default section wasn't repeated down in the draggable section.
• (8:59:34 AM) xover: And the fact that I noticed means that for some reason I /expected/ it to be there.
• (8:59:49 AM) xover: Not that that necessarily means anything except that my brain works in weird ways. :-)
• (9:00:47 AM) xover: Feel free to summarily disregard any and all such observations from my deranged mind. :-)
• (9:03:29 AM) digitalspaghetti: rworth, ok i've grabbed the google code copy, so i've got my write access, where do you want me to start?
• (9:35:45 AM) xover: Hmm. How do you represent an option that can take both Number and Array as arguments in the docs?
• (9:36:03 AM) xover: The MW template doesn't make that obvious.
• (9:36:51 AM) rworth: digitalspaghetti: let's talk in #jquery-sprint-test
• (9:36:57 AM) xover: Ah. “Number, Array" seems to be the syntax. Nevermind.
• (10:15:49 AM) xover: @@FIXME: Figure out the Options for the overlay option to .dialog();
• (10:16:59 AM) scott_gonzalez: xover: overlay is a CSS hash
• (10:17:13 AM) scott_gonzalez: any settings you want to use for the overlay div of a modal dialog
• (10:18:59 AM) xover: Hmm.
• (10:19:33 AM) xover: Is the “CSS hash” documented anywhere?
• (10:21:09 AM) digitalspaghetti: xover, what OS/Language you on?
• (10:21:11 AM) rworth: scott_gonzalez: I noticed you're making a lot of API consistency changes. Thanks! :)
• (10:21:19 AM) digitalspaghetti: i'm getting some weird unicode chars here
• (10:21:38 AM) rworth: scott_gonzalez: be sure to let us know if/when any docs need to be updated, if you need help
• (10:21:39 AM) xover: digitalspaghetti: On IRC? Yeah, sorry; force of habit. I'm sending raw UTF-8 on IRC.
• (10:21:53 AM) scott_gonzalez: yup, that's gonna need to be tested :-P
• (10:21:57 AM) xover: (which not all IRC clients cope with very well)
• (10:22:32 AM) scott_gonzalez: I'm not sure if any of the test suites bind to events
• (10:22:52 AM) scott_gonzalez: I'm about to bring it up in the test channel once I'm done reviewing some code
• (10:22:58 AM) rworth: k
• (10:23:05 AM) digitalspaghetti: the test suite doesn't work with sliders :/
• (10:23:25 AM) digitalspaghetti: i've just committed the start of it, but it doesn't produce sliders
• (10:23:42 AM) ***xover punts on overlay for now...
• (10:24:24 AM) scott_gonzalez: xover: sorry, wasn't paying attention to this channel - standard .css() call
• (10:33:56 AM) xover: scott_gonzalez: Thanks. I'll try to figure out how to document it on my next pass through the page (working on updating the docs for .dialog() based on the unit tests page).
• (10:34:12 AM) scott_gonzalez: ok
• (10:35:01 AM) scott_gonzalez: maybe to give a better idea, the most common use would be something like: $(el).dialog({ modal: true, overlay: { backgroundColor: '#000', opacity: 0.5 } })
• (10:38:41 AM) xover: Hmm. Following that trail leads me to .css(), which says map', which further leads to name/value as String/String or Number.
• (10:39:10 AM) xover: Are the various properties you can use there from the W3C DOM spec? Or the CSS spec, possibly?
• (10:39:26 AM) scott_gonzalez: yeah, any valid CSS property
• (10:39:52 AM) scott_gonzalez: height, width, color, overflow, etc.
• (10:40:31 AM) xover: Yeah, but the unit tests use backgroundColor and the CSS property would be background-color. Where is that mapping actually defined? Is the former a jQuery thing? A general JavaScript thing?
• (10:41:31 AM) xover: Or does one of the W3C CSS or DOM specs say "The CSS property 'foo-bar' is exposed in JavaScript/DOM as 'fooBar'"?
• (10:42:02 AM) xover: Oh, hey; this wouldn't be the "W3C Selectors API" thing, would it?
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• (10:46:10 AM) scott_gonzalez: backgroundColor is defined in jQuery
• (10:46:26 AM) scott_gonzalez: because if you use background-color as a JavaScript property name, you must quote it
• (10:46:44 AM) scott_gonzalez: so you can do {backgroundColor: "blue"} or {"background-color": "blue"}
• (10:47:41 AM) xover: Hmm. Ok, so the difference is simply that jQuery has defined some convenience names? e.g. I can say "plain CSS properties + see .css() for convenience names"?
• (10:51:09 AM) p_bakaus: [announcement]: the draggable option dragPrevention is no changed to 'cancel', please update the appropriate docs
• (10:53:16 AM) scott_gonzalez: xover: see current discussion in #jquery-sprint-dev
• (10:53:49 AM) xover: thanks
• (10:54:01 AM) scott_gonzalez: you're welcome
• (10:56:00 AM) rworth: p_bakaus: thanks. Done
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• (11:00:59 AM) xover: scott_gonzalez: Take a look at the overlay' option on <http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Dialog/dialog>. Ignoring my awkward prose, does that description look ok (at least factually correct)?
• (11:02:06 AM) scott_gonzalez: I would remove the first and third sentences
• (11:02:15 AM) scott_gonzalez: the overlay is automatically produced when modal is set to true
• (11:02:31 AM) scott_gonzalez: it's just that by default it's transparent with 100% opacity
• (11:02:43 AM) xover: Hmm.
• (11:03:03 AM) scott_gonzalez: because it's just <div class="ui-dialog-overlay" />
• (11:03:18 AM) xover: But you can have overlay even when modal is false?
• (11:03:30 AM) scott_gonzalez: you can specify it, but it won't do anything
• (11:03:55 AM) xover: Hmm. So overlay' should perhaps be documented as part of the modal option?
• (11:04:18 AM) scott_gonzalez: I'm not sure what the plan is for dependent options
• (11:04:26 AM) scott_gonzalez: maybe you should ask rworth and p_bakaus about that
• (11:04:44 AM) scott_gonzalez: there are other options too, like dragStart, drag, dragStop are all dependent on draggable being set to true
• (11:05:43 AM) xover: Hmm. Those seem to be missing unit tests.
• (11:06:20 AM) scott_gonzalez: indeed, I added them yesterday
• (11:06:29 AM) scott_gonzalez: also resizeStart, resize, resizeStop
• (11:07:00 AM) rworth: xover: modal option should mention overlay, sure. But the options should stay in alpha-order and be documented each on their own
• (11:07:52 AM) xover: Ok. I'll try to come up with some way to indicate the dependant relationship in prose.
• (11:08:30 AM) xover: Anyone working on adding unit tests for the resize/drag options?
• (11:09:01 AM) rworth: xover: I'm doing dialog unit tests. I'll add those
• (11:09:09 AM) scott_gonzalez: not sure, rworth is in charge of tests and should know about the new options, but I'll make an announcement in the tests channel just in case
• (11:09:16 AM) scott_gonzalez: nevermind :-P
• (11:09:21 AM) xover: rworth: Thanks. :-)
• (11:15:00 AM) xover: scott_gonzalez: Updated <http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Dialog/dialog> based on your feedback. Does it look ok now?
• (11:15:16 AM) xover: (modal and overlay both updated)
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• (12:00:05 PM) xover: Ok, .dialog()'s options documentation is now updated with all the options that're currently in uiTest. dialog (i.e not the new drag*/resize*).
• (12:01:12 PM) xover: Will have a go at Draggable next, if that's not too advanced for me.
• (12:03:30 PM) xover: Hmm. I should probably check with davidserduke on that first.
• (12:08:53 PM) rworth: xover: Since he's not around, I say go for it
• (12:09:48 PM) xover: Will do.
• (12:10:21 PM) xover: Mostly I'm just doing mechanical translation from the unit tests pages, so there shouldn't be any significant edit conflicts or similar anyway.
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• (12:34:00 PM) scott_gonzalez: xover: dialog looks fine
• (12:34:25 PM) xover: scott_gonzalez: Thanks.
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• (12:42:59 PM) ThrushAAX: I assume you guys know that the zIndex option is missing on the dialog page?
• (12:47:24 PM) xover: ThrushAAX: No. Thanks!
• (12:48:24 PM) ThrushAAX: np, just had a question about it in #jquery-ui, and I checked the docs and it was missing
• (12:48:54 PM) xover: That's because it's missing from the unit test page. rworth: You'll fix, perhaps?
• (1:28:27 PM) rworth: xover: yes. thanks
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• (1:59:46 PM) p_bakaus: [announcement] draggable option cursorAt now also accepts an array in the format [left, top]
• (2:12:58 PM) xover: p_bakaus: Docs updated for [top, left] syntax.
• (2:13:08 PM) p_bakaus: great, thanks
• (2:13:21 PM) p_bakaus: I have a special task
• (2:13:38 PM) p_bakaus: could someone document the snap plugin? (actually, I don't know if I did it already)
• (2:14:12 PM) xover: There is a snap plugin? :-)
• (2:14:24 PM) neojp: snap was a plugin?
• (2:14:31 PM) neojp: or an extension?
• (2:15:20 PM) p_bakaus: it's a extension for draggables
• (2:15:28 PM) p_bakaus: it's pretty hot and new
• (2:15:35 PM) p_bakaus: nobody knows about it :)
• (2:15:43 PM) xover: Obviously. :-)
• (2:16:42 PM) p_bakaus: http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Draggables/draggable#options
• (2:16:48 PM) p_bakaus: it seems I documented it already :)
• (2:17:14 PM) xover: Well there you go then. :-)
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• (2:38:30 PM) rworth: The king has returned!
• (2:38:36 PM) kswedberg: hahaha!
• (2:38:43 PM) ***rworth bows
• (2:38:53 PM) kswedberg: rworth: oh, stop it.
• (2:38:57 PM) rworth: ok ;)
• (2:39:04 PM) kswedberg: :)
• (2:39:05 PM) rworth: glad you could join us
• (2:39:34 PM) rworth: I actually haven't been around too much in -docs today. Been busy with test and dev
• (2:39:46 PM) kswedberg: thx. glad to be here.
• (2:39:51 PM) rworth: Take a look at the wiki page to find a section no one has snagged yet
• (2:39:52 PM) kswedberg: cool deal.
• (2:39:56 PM) kswedberg: will do
• (2:40:22 PM) kswedberg: btw. I pulled down the latest svn last night, but couldn't get the ui/apps/ stuff running because it was looking for /ui/current/... am I doing something wrong?
• (2:40:37 PM) rworth: no, that's beyond rotted
• (2:40:59 PM) rworth: the new stuff is in ui/demos/real-world
• (2:41:41 PM) rworth: p_bakaus: you planning on resurrecting the 1.0 app?
• (2:42:05 PM) kswedberg: ah. ok. good to know. thought I was losing my mind. ;) on to the wiki!
• (2:42:38 PM) rworth: kswedberg: A lot of people have been using the docs side-by-side with the unit tests, to ensure coverage+clarity. I recommend this, if it works for you
• (2:43:02 PM) rworth: the unit tests are in ui/tests/uiTest.*
• (2:43:33 PM) kswedberg: beautiful. thanks!
• (2:43:33 PM) p_bakaus: rworth: you mean the image gallery?
• (2:43:46 PM) rworth: kswedberg: of course they're still being written, so there may not be one for you (yet)
• (2:44:01 PM) rworth: p_bakaus: yeah. kswedberg was just asking about it, caus it's pointing to /ui/current
• (2:44:02 PM) kswedberg: rworth: k. no prob.
• (2:48:08 PM) rworth: Anyone have an idea how we might document which options can be set after initialization?
• (2:48:50 PM) rworth: p_bakaus: thoughts?
• (2:53:14 PM) kswedberg: rworth: question about example in http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Guidelines#jQuery.ui
• (2:53:41 PM) kswedberg: is this part really /an example/? ... jQuery.ui.functionName = function() {..}
• (2:54:01 PM) kswedberg: should we substitute functionName with an actual function name?
• (2:56:26 PM) rworth: kswedberg: feel free to update, sure
• (2:56:53 PM) ***rworth is happy to have the kswedberg on the case
• (2:57:04 PM) kswedberg: :)
• (3:24:17 PM) p_bakaus: I love it to see all my mistakes corrected by the wise kind :)
• (3:24:20 PM) p_bakaus: king
• (3:33:35 PM) xover: Options docs for Draggables is now in sync with uiTest.draggable.html.
• (3:33:37 PM) ***rworth gone four about 2hrs
• (3:48:28 PM) xover: Hmm. Should Accordion's header docs say "Selector" rather then "String" as datatype?
• (4:19:10 PM) kswedberg: finished up UI/Guideline proofreading/editing (and noted that on the wiki page)
• (4:20:11 PM) kswedberg: started looking at Accordion docs. The demo is a little borked. p_bakaus: should I file a ticket on that?
• (4:22:14 PM) p_bakaus: kswedberg: which demo?
• (4:22:43 PM) kswedberg: p_bakaus: http://docs.jquery.com/UI/Accordion
• (4:23:06 PM) p_bakaus: I guess I'd wait with tickets concerning the demos - we are updating it currently
• (4:23:19 PM) kswedberg: in FF, clicking on the first header while it's open loads the entire UI/Accordion page in the iframe
• (4:23:49 PM) kswedberg: Also, the right slice of the header background is way off to the right.
• (4:24:03 PM) kswedberg: gotcha. ok.
• (4:24:57 PM) kswedberg: thanks p_bakaus . btw, the html for the headers in that demo is invalid
• (4:25:35 PM) p_bakaus: ok, thanks
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